03
enero
2008

Deleting the option "Do not distribute the sample"

[News] 
In the last few days, several articles have been published (1,2,3,4), pointing to the "Do not distribute the sample" option in VirusTotal as a tool used by malware developers to avoid detection by AV engines. The reality is quite different and this is a mistaken interpretation. Nevertheless, as a preventive measure, we have agreed with AV developers to delete the "Do not distribute the sample" option from the VirusTotal website, as to prevent potentially malicious uses of that option.


When we launched VirusTotal back in 2004, the non-distribution option was intended to allow the analysis of files and documents containing sensitive data with the complete certainty they would not be sent to AV labs at all. Until now, the main use of this option has been the aforementioned: Analyzing Word files, PowerPoint presentations, PDF files, etc., that contained sensitive data.


Besides this initial function, afterwards we realized other alternative uses could be applied, by both, computer security professionals and malware specialists, as well as malware developers. As explained in the post "The Darker Side of Online Virus Scanners" in Kaspersky's blog, malware developers do not trust VirusTotal and have found their own methods to test their creations in multi-AV services.


Although in the story from Kaspersky a pay underground service becomes the anecdote, at Hispasec we have been aware of underground tools, ready for download, that automatically analyze samples with over 20 AV products in your own computer. These tools use free/shareware/pirated versions of the AV engines that the AV developers make available for download in their own websites. Also, the online AV services based on ActiveX and similar services can be used individually for detection tests in your own computer without sending the malware to third parties.



Example of underground tool


There is an additional technical reason that renders VirusTotal useless for malware developers to learn how to get around the detection of AV engines. Recently, AV solutions have incorporated new technologies, such as detection by behavioral analysis, that aren't available in the classical AV engines based on signatures and heuristic analysis of code that are used in online services. In order to test whether a specimen of malware is detected by these new technologies, the malware must be executed in a system with the AV program installed and activated. This is the reason why professional malware developers maintain many virtual machines with different AV solutions installed in order to execute and test their samples locally, without using online services such as VirusTotal.


So, should AV developers remove their online AV programs? Should they stop providing demo versions of their AV programs to avoid a potentially malicious use? Obviously, we do not think so. If those measures were taken, the worst affected would be legitimate users, since malware developers would still use AVs fraudulently, with pirated versions or properly acquired versions. We mustn't forget that there is a true industry with plenty of resources, ready to make loads of money, behind most current malware.


The use of the non-distribution option was mainly legitimate. Honeypots, CERTs, AV labs, and malware specialists frequently used this option in different processes. Precisely, AV labs knew our non-distribution option worked for sure since they could test this option anonymously and check whether they received the sample or not, while malware developers had no way of testing our system at VirusTotal and hence their lack of trust in our non-distribution option.


Besides all that has been said, we must clarify that the default use of distribution vs. non-distribution was overwhelming. Over 85% of all samples identified as malware in VirusTotal were submitted as distributable, and automatically forwarded in real time to all AV labs whose engines did not detect said samples.


Nevertheless, at VirusTotal we find appropriate to delete the anonymous and indiscriminate non-distribution option in our website to avoid possible suspicions on the use of VirusTotal. We apologize if this measure proves to be inconvenient for the people who used this option legitimately.


VirusTotal is a reliable service that works in close collaboration with the AV industry. All functionalities and decisions in VirusTotal are agreed upon with all AV developers that participate in our service, and we are open to all suggestions about improving our service so it proves more helpful for our community.


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Re: Deleting the option "Do not distribute the sample"

please activate the option for privicy like scanning work documents and email

Posted by: jon at enero 04,2008 01:42
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this is a bad idea for us software developers, not pertaining to malware. we use virustotal to scan our executable files that have been protected using software packers, take for an example AsPack, to avert disassembly. by sending the samples to av companies, they might tag it as a malicious program, due to the encryption of code. at the end, developers would likely suffer, customers(who will complain that the product has been tagged of being a malware) and software pirates(those who will try to break the registration codes in the software). please reconsider this action. or still, like in the previous post, you should activate at least some privacy options

Posted by: dev at enero 04,2008 06:56
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please reactivate the "Do not distribute the sample" option

Posted by: jon at enero 04,2008 10:47
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Hispasec,

Please bring back the removed option. Removing it violates the privacy rights of the uploader! The uploader has the right to choose if s/he wants the file to be analyzed by AV vendors. Sensitive documents should never be entrusted to unknown people and that includes AV vendors. Such files should be kept PERSONAL and SAFEGUARDED at all cost! This act is a threat to corporate/individual democracy and privacy!

Surely, AV vendors would not like sensitive documents about their respective companies be given to a non-employee or unknown person. That is the same with us!

I am really disappointed with this decision. Nonetheless, I am really thankful for this free service! More power to you guys!

Dave

Posted by: Dave at enero 04,2008 16:49
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The uploader never had the option for sending samples with the non-distribution switch. At least the one we programmed here at Hispasec.

Posted by: jcanto at enero 04,2008 17:24
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PLEASE reinstate this option,

There are literally millions of hex snippets that AV companies tag as malware not to mention many API's that are labeled as malicious.

The "do not distribute" option is very important as a coder to check my releases are not tagged as a virus. If every AV company will receive a sample of my work surely some noob will label it as malicious and damage distribution of my software.

I think you will find a dramatic decrease in the use of your service as a result of this action

Posted by: Tom at enero 05,2008 02:34
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Most malware authors do not trust virustotal with their new creations for testing purposes. They believe that even if you select do not distribute that they will (don't believe me? look at some underground forums). So it's utterly pointless to remove the option because it could potentially be misused. It's like confiscating DVD burners because they can be used illegally; idiocy at it's finest.

Posted by: PoC at enero 05,2008 05:10
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Amen to you PoC. That's right, idiocy at it's finest. The thing that I like about Virustotal is that before, they respect the uploader's privacy. This is the factor why I chose Virustotal to scan attachments rather than to use another similar service that is hosted at viruscan.jotti. Imagine scanning email attachments w/ contain sensitive documents like pictures, and by 'bad luck' - a malware hex offset has been found. The attachment would be then tagged as a virus then will besent to av companies. Would that suck? As PoC stated, malware coders don't trust virustotal. Why upload their creations where they can maintain virtual machines, each having the av they needed and scan them manually? Reconsider this move you made.

Posted by: John at enero 05,2008 11:41
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You just lost all your websites traffic for having the option of having your work distributed. I am the owner of my company and we use your site allot, i mean allot!! I'll make sure that this website is blocked from our users now.

Cant believe you would do this, what the fuck!?

Posted by: VexD at enero 05,2008 13:06
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u just lost all your sites traffic, idiot
why would u do that

Posted by: chris at enero 05,2008 13:12
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Example of how it hurts consumer: I'm trying to send software from work to home. Author's license permits sharing with family and friends ONLY via email. Trigger-happy new ISP scanner is blocking my attachment from reaching home. But now I can't use your service to show that my attachment is harmless because your redistribution will violate author's license.

Posted by: Eugene at enero 05,2008 19:13
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yes u lost all site traffic...
very very bad thing u did

Posted by: OMG at enero 06,2008 00:25
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u guys know our opinion about this changes.

for us developers this is bad.

i hope u guys change your mind about this issue. i want upload any more files unless this option is back again and with the certain that a file wont be distributed to the AV company's

Posted by: david at enero 06,2008 06:30
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fuckers wtf? botnetage

Posted by: ?? at enero 06,2008 10:21
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Hello

this bad thing . birus total u will lose big users .. i will never use ur service until back the dont not distibute.

Posted by: Carlos marlo at enero 06,2008 15:19
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Hi ...,

CoolZ, I won't use your service anymore because you are not anymore trustable. NVM, I am not a malware developer, I'm just a regular checker like others.

Suppose, I have 1 short of porn video with my girl friend in video.mpg and 1 slide show which has been combined into a image.exe and both has been archived to a zip.

By any how I used my pen drive into some other computer and came back to my pc, and I guess my zip is infected by antivirus so I want to chk it thru virus total.

How could I trust you that you won't share the video.mpg ? because so far I know it's automated and you will share my private video with all those monkey guys sitting on antivirus company ?

What is the gurantee that they won't share it with Porn Productions as a "HOME MADE PRIVATE CAM MOVIE" and what is the gurantee that "I WONT BECOME A PORNSTAR ?"

Ok fine, I got a nice deal for people here, make a porn video by your digital camera, upload it here... they will promote it for you as 100% free to antivurs companies where some Monkey face PornStars also working who may help you to become a successful pornstar ;)

So actually, we can call it "New trick to become pornstar" m i wrong ? just an example idea. it will be also applied and I'll be asking a "?" to VirusTotal instead of asking virus developers when my private data's such as Bank, etc got hacked.

Maybe who knows, they did not got hacked by malware coders, maybe virustotal leaked them to av companies ?

So, the last thing is... your distribution service is automated or manual mordaration based ? and how I can trust VT staff's ?

So... I wont upload anyfile to this site anymore because now I am not afraid of Malware Coders, I am afraid of Virus Total... they may make some damages when I am sleeping but uploading my data's to virustotal seems like Suciding ?

Sorry for my ugly English and as Drunk I've missed the lines... but I hope I've become successful to point out what I want to say.

ahh, I think you peoples are bored ??? I made this to make yourself bored and I suggest you guys to don't use this ugly service anymore, BE BORED INSTEAD OF THIS IS A BETTER IDEA :) What you say ?

Regards,
Ahmed

Posted by: Ahmed Nitul at enero 06,2008 17:15
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Deleting this option - very bad idea.
I check many samples, including damaged. Then i select "no distribute".

Posted by: Alexey at enero 06,2008 17:48
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You lost me aswell unless you dont re enable it mateys.

Goodbye forever.

Posted by: Wack0 at enero 06,2008 21:32
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oh my god my files and Documents will not be in safe place please return back this option please please...........

Posted by: mouness at enero 06,2008 21:32
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I agree, this idea is very bad since i personally myself use it to pack my programs so people will not disassemble it or try to edit it, using packers, the most probable thing that will happen is get tagged, and this is going to hurt me.

Right now, i am not goingto use your services until you re-enable this back, sorry VT but there are things more important that you guys, and that is my privacy.

A Loyal user of VT asks you to pleaseconsider enabling this option back. I really don't want to leave you guys, but right now im forced to.

Posted by: Franco at enero 06,2008 22:25
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hey guys... I dont wanna be unfair

u made a good job with this site and the service provided to check any kind of file.......

so thank you.....but

u know what....sounds like u guys are getting paid from AV company's to make the samples DISTRIBUTABLE.

sorry but i dont buy your excuse.

i started this site with a purpose and a goal....stick to it cause you doing a nice job. if you guys change your policies right now about this subject.....sounds like VT was bought by some kind of major AV company. sorry but this is my opinion. u know that this is a useful service and it's not a malware coders intended website...

u know that

so i just hope u reconsider

privacy should prevale

Posted by: sonic at enero 07,2008 08:08
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Virustotal isn't going to re-enable the option for having it not be distributed so everyone just pack up your bags, virustotal is now another gay website like jotti someone make a new website like virustotal and ill support along with everyone else im sure!

Posted by: VexD at enero 07,2008 10:40
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i never visit this site again

Posted by: fuck you this site at enero 07,2008 10:50
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开发软件,为了测试是不是会被杀毒软件误杀,这样将会泄露秘密,所以,不能再使用改服务了

Posted by: 木鱼 at enero 07,2008 13:09
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exactly right "VexD" The door is now wide open for someone to make a new webstie that dose not distribute. Add a few commertials to the page and somebody could make a small fourtune.

Get fcuking lost VirusTotal, we dont need your gaylord page anyway.

Posted by: tom at enero 07,2008 13:31
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Please activate the "Do not distribute the sample" option.

You should care about privacy.........

Posted by: Wilson at enero 07,2008 14:33
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http://scanner.virus.org/advanced

Posted by: steve10120 at enero 07,2008 18:03
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http://scanner.virus.org/advanced


works great!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: jonhyk at enero 07,2008 18:51
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It's sad. :( Good bye privacy

Posted by: YA at enero 07,2008 20:04
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Finally, i've been waiting for this. An alternative to Virustotal, but considers privacy. Thanks, Scanner.virus.org :)

Posted by: John at enero 07,2008 22:52
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Thanks Steve i forgot about this old chestnut ;)

http://scanner.virus.org/advanced

Posted by: barkinmad at enero 07,2008 23:15
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Kasperksy on scanner.virus.org is an very old version and have not detected the virus (even thought it has latest signatures) as VT did. So, beware..

Posted by: - at enero 08,2008 00:12
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Dont know why some of you are hateing VT because of this. At the end of the day, it provides a great free service... great for users and great for AVs (and was also great for malware authors). Now its just great for users and AVs.

You should learn not to appreciate, not to hate


As you may have guessed... I personally think its a good idea! :)

Posted by: Anon at enero 08,2008 01:37
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Why did you remove the "Do Not Distribute" option? That was a foolish idea for several reasons. First, you probably lost most of your traffic, since many of your faithful users have trusted your previous privacy policy of deleting the files uploaded, without distributing their personal files to anti-malware companies. Second, most malware authors don't even use services like VirusTotal, since they incorporate the use of virtual machines running the latest antivirus engines, which scan much faster than an slow online service anyway. To think that disabling this feature will stop malware authors is, to be honest, very unwise. On the other hand, all of your users who legitimately rely on this option for their privacy will be forced to stop using your site, which is probably why your traffic has been steadily decreasing. I have used your site for a long time, and have always respected your committment to privacy. Now that you broken that committment, I will no longer be able to rely on this site for protection, along with many other disappointed users, most of whom are not even malware authors.

Hoping you will reconsider your decision,
~´ħǻłǿχ™

Posted by: ~´ħǻłǿχ™ at enero 08,2008 02:30
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BAD IDEA

Posted by: Anon. at enero 08,2008 14:00
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You know a funny story guys ?
I made a Pivy server some months ago, tested it with the funny not distribute check.
You know that I got a victim for short time, guess what, from Spain, and I never distributed that server before anywhere !
I am sure that option was USELESS time ago.

Posted by: Anon at enero 08,2008 14:03
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Hispasec, everyone is truly right, including VexD and many others. We go somewhere else, you are just gay now. Leave us, we have no use for virus total...

Posted by: Anon at enero 08,2008 15:54
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Please, add the
Agnitum Outpost Security Suite!

Posted by: klever at enero 08,2008 16:00
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Wow, it seems most of these comments are from the same people.

Anyways, I truly don't understand one of these comments. The one where the guy says he uses VirusTotal as well as his organization and he says he is now leaving because VirusTotal won't allow him to upload sensitive documents to VirusTotal. My question to you is, Who the hell and what damn organization lets users upload sensitive documents to no matter who it as or wether it's sent to 1 person or 33 people?

Posted by: Children at enero 08,2008 21:55
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MOTHERFUCKERS

YOU THINK IT's BETTER NOW?

Posted by: asd at enero 09,2008 01:39
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hope you read all the comments here... :/ no1 wants it gone

Posted by: Hans Henrik at enero 09,2008 11:46
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Bring back the option! Users should be given the choice and be told the warning. Let the users choose what they want!

Posted by: User at enero 10,2008 03:36
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DONT FUCING DELETE DO NOT DISTURB THE SAMPLE


IF U DO IT THEN YALL GOTTA REGREAT IT :@

Posted by: WouThr at enero 10,2008 14:51
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Bad idea, loosing all ur users, someone new will come along, and your site will be forgotten.
RIP VT

Posted by: s0nic at enero 10,2008 19:00
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Come on guys, give it up. There not gonna change there decision because a few people disagree. VT was being used my malware authors to tweek their creations to be undetected by the scanners. Therefor because of that simple reason this is not gonna be changed. btw, there are already quite a few nice alternatives to this site so don't worry.

http://viruschief.com
http://scanner.virus.org/advanced
http://scan.dark-codez.org/

Posted by: steve10120 at enero 10,2008 19:53
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Well, I dont think it's a good idea. Almost all software developed has been detected by your system, and i think that people dont deserve their privacy to be violated. I imagine that many of you believe that this method is going to improve on security, that more malwares will be known, etc. For all of you who believe that, I'll say that there are thousands of tools like this one,
that can analyse in parallel with even more reliability than "virustotal".

So....it's your choice. But, from my point of view and lots of other people, to eliminate THIS OPTION IS NOT RIGHT.

Reggards.

Posted by: ShaDDy at enero 10,2008 20:45
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this is bullshit,now nobody want to upload any file here xD.

Posted by: hacker22 at enero 11,2008 04:28
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you lost most visitors

Posted by: zzzz at enero 12,2008 13:59
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Kids, get a grip, will ya?

How can you dare to DEMAND "this" or "that" at all?
Then even calling the VT staff names, ... quite immature and showing that such boards should be limited to posters who are at least above the age of ten.

The VT scanning service is provided FREE of charge to the WORLD. Take it or leave it, I`d say.
What's all the cry about?
* loosing traffic (Why YOU care?)
* I`ll no more use your site (Who gives a frog?)

Move along and get over it.

Posted by: Micha at enero 12,2008 16:50
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I totaly agree with Micha.
This option should have never existed in the first place.

Peace.

Posted by: Spyros at enero 13,2008 02:05
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The availability of this option was very critical to me, and since it's not going to be there anymore, I'm not going to be able to use this service again, unfortunately.

Posted by: Mike Yagi at enero 15,2008 13:16
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Oh fuck, I use this service to analize my trojan servers but now, how can I know if they're detected without send to antivirus?

This is bad for us!!!

Posted by: Zacker at enero 15,2008 13:43
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This is bad.. If you had a real private file you wanted scanning you couldnt have that done.. This is invading the privacy laws..

Posted by: Ben McGarry at enero 15,2008 16:54
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Please bring back that option. I have a lot of precious files that I don't want to be distrubted but I still want them scanned. It's very important to me that you please put back this option or I'll find another online virus scanner. Please, this is a very important website to me.

Posted by: Concerned User at enero 15,2008 19:04
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"this is bullshit,now nobody want to upload any file here xD."
"you lost most visitors"

Yeeees, of courseee:
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/virustotal.com
More and more traffic.

Bye malware coders.

Posted by: Saddam Husein at enero 15,2008 19:58
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ماراح نفحص عندكم مره ثانيه خلاص عندنا غيره :)

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http://scanner.virus.org/advanced
http://scan.dark-codez.org/

G00D B3y V!r3s T0t4l

Posted by: HaCKeRZy at enero 18,2008 04:35
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Thanks for removing the option that malware authors uses.

Posted by: John at enero 19,2008 17:08
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Well, this event may be good for someone, not good for someone else. But anyway, it seems that you force the people to forgo their privacy in favor of some antivirus companies.
I am concerned about malware, but I think this is not very good idea. Who gets the value? The one who makes money, but not the end-user.
John, IT Security Specialist

Posted by: John at enero 23,2008 23:30
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Policy that may need clarifying is if samples scanned as clean by ALL antivirus engines are also distributed.

Posted by: Scoobie at febrero 01,2008 08:10
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Sorry, im not using ur service anymore.. That was the last time.. I dont feel i have privacy.. I know a friend of mine is working on F-secure.. And he had full access to very big information files beacuse of sites like this.. So thank you for past.. Now going to scan my files on a other page..

Posted by: Petter göransson at febrero 01,2008 18:00
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goodbye vt~

Posted by: QWX at febrero 04,2008 06:36
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Let's be realistic! People, you have a choice to use or not use VT or any similar online service. If you have an important file, I don't think you should be putting it out in cyberspace anyway--you never know what will happen.

You can always scan any suspicious files with your regular installed antivirus and one or more of the free ones--such as AVG, Avast, AntiVir, CureIt, ClamWin, MS Malicious Removal Tool (MRT), Comodo AV, or McAfee's Stinger. See? This gives you eight free AVs (at least) and any commercial one you may use. Remember, however, to set up only one as your resident/primary scanner. Use the other(s) as on-demand file scanners only.

I will continue using Virus Total and keep my important files to myself. I would like to to thank Virus Total for taking the lead in closing one of the many avenues the malware writers use/can use. Good work, guys!

Regards,

Posted by: GuitarBob at febrero 04,2008 19:08
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Hi everybody !

I just want to know why you still have the ssl encrypt button left ?
If the AV companys will get the hands of our personal documents / files what matter does the ssl encryption do ?

Posted by: Andrew Stone at febrero 16,2008 13:06
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lol.... goodbye VT

you need!!!!

DOS

Posted by: cckw at febrero 18,2008 08:31
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Hi , bquintero and jcanto , , and staff at virustotal and Hispasec sistemas.

I apologize for being a little rude in this comment blog , but it has come to my understanding that this option be that as it may being removed will infact do more harm than good.

I can think of several MORE reasons why this option should remain (or atleast within the e-mail scanning method) within VT.



And now that this option has been removed I also fear that some users may fear there rights are at risk.


I also believe you have considered all ramifications when removing this option, however please consider the long term ramifications of your actions as well.

Viruses as you know constantly evolve and constantly find new ways of exploiting code.

I think its safe to say , The users of VT feel that its better to have a false positive than no option at all.

And that is what i believe you have done , with limiting your users options.


I must also note , i am not a VT user myself but have watched the progress of this great tool you are allowing the general public access to evolve to what it is today in its current form.

I think its better to keep the option. Greatly straining the "wildness" of exploits and giving your end users more piece of mind.



Truly,
XAVIER T PNolan
// 1SRC // Cliesource.com Proprietor

Posted by: XDS at febrero 19,2008 06:44
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Bad move. I use VT to test if my software has any false positive detections. This will only aggravate matters if somehow some AV decides to sideline my software. Bad.

Posted by: concerned at febrero 27,2008 04:34
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You don't want your 'private documents' abroad thats fine. But you are talking about AV developers, you trust them with your files in the first place by allowing them tell you that your files are infected or clean.

Placing your whole Hard Drive, Network, and more in their hands.

But so many still find it hard to trust them with privacy?

Posted by: chris at febrero 28,2008 18:08
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If you're concerned about a sensitive document being distributed, yet believe it may contain a virus, how secure has it ever been?

Take it or leave it. It's still a very useful tool for many.

Posted by: uh at febrero 29,2008 00:23
The underground tool....

whats the name and/or URL of the underground tool that is pictured in the blog ??

best

John

Posted by: John at marzo 04,2008 00:50
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Deleting this option - is very bad idea. I check many samples

Posted by: BOOTKiller at marzo 04,2008 23:59
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How can I download this multi-av software?

Posted by: Sam at marzo 05,2008 11:12
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I'm really surprised how this "discussion" is going, and that the ppl from VT allowed it.
In my eyes, micha summoned it very good. Some aliases I've seen here posting retarted crap are well known as script - kiddies on this so called "underground" sites. I wouldn't give a fuck about the oppinion of these ppl.
You've stated in your entire post that malware coders wouldn't abuse this service, and you are probably right. However, kiddies abused it by sending modified malware to check whether it's still detected. Furthermore, most user stated they wouldn't trust this "don't distribute" anyway, and there have been some weird occurences where you executed and backtracked software. Now it's ensured you won't violate your terms ;)
And I can hardly imagine that documents containing some real private information would be considered as a file which could be backdoored and should be checked at VT.
So... kiddies, get over it.

Posted by: Baphomet at marzo 13,2008 00:01
Re: Deleting the option "Do not distribute the sample"

Baphomet ,Do you like the view ?

You seem to be very educated on such methods of scanning with scripts on this site , which makes me wonder if more educated people like yourself have been part of the problem and not the solution , also if or not you yourself being so knowledgable with regards to the so called scripts being used to scan samples if or not you have been abusing the service right along.

The fact that the option has removed completely is moot , the option should IMHO still reside within a registered user status or the e-mail scanning method.

This would deter such script "kiddies" as you would call them .

And allow the _END USER_S_ to reign supreme .

Lets find __solutions__. Not limit options.

Posted by: XAVIER T PNolan at marzo 14,2008 07:32
Re: Deleting the option "Do not distribute the sample"

Xavier, you are right. I probably was part of the "problem" ealier. And I still watch those spaces, only to be called educated from ppl like you :p
However, drawing the discussion to a personal level won't get us far. It was the right step to remove this option when it was available for every person which intended to abuse it. It should maybe remain for every file type which could be a private document (like .doc, .pdf, .ppt), though I still wonder why a private document is considered as possibly infected. But that's up to the staff from VT.

Posted by: Baphomet at marzo 14,2008 21:51
Re: Deleting the option "Do not distribute the sample"

The removal of the do not distribute option made perfect sense; it could be used illegitimately and it was.

Those complaining about privacy need to get a clue: DON'T USE A FREE SERVICE WHERE YOU SUBMIT A FILE AND EXPECT PRIVACY. If you were paying for this service, the privacy argument would be acceptable, but seeing as it's free, VT can do whatever it wants.

Anyhow, clearly VT's decision didn't hurt them:
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/virustotal.com

Just goes to show you that the vocal minority (most of the posters above me) saying they won't use VT anymore DON'T MATTER. VT is continually getting more and more users and I will certainly continue using them (and Jotti; sometimes the line here at VT to wait for a scan is too long o_O).

Posted by: VT Supporter at abril 03,2008 04:34
Re: Deleting the option "Do not distribute the sample"

fuck you virustotal, fuck the scene , fuck all :D

Posted by: esteban at abril 18,2008 01:30
Re: Deleting the option "Do not distribute the sample"

Does anyone know where I can find the program mentioned in the text?

http://blog.hispasec.com/virustotal/recursos/multiav2.png

Posted by: Dave Bisson at mayo 05,2008 02:24
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